Comments on Advance Indiana™: Dark Horse Candidate Could Emerge In 7th District Democratic Race

Excuse me advane indiana, the general public does ...

2007-12-20T00:16:00.000-05:00

Excuse me advane indiana, the general public does not watch Indiana Week In Review. Not even the committee people. Ann's image was not affected bad or good by Rex Early. Most people polled said that they thought Ann was well educated, professional and would make a good congressperson. Hard work by Julia and a good campaign is what won Julia her first time to congress.

I still say that Rep. Greg Porter is the best cand...

2007-12-19T19:14:00.000-05:00

I still say that Rep. Greg Porter is the best candidate.

The reverse worked too -- I have an elderly Republ...

2007-12-19T07:16:00.000-05:00

The reverse worked too -- I have an elderly Republican aunt who chose Goldsmith over Rex Early because Rex allowed Ann Delaney to push him around too easily on TV!

anon 1:04, I remember that race vividly. The bigge...

2007-12-19T01:09:00.000-05:00

anon 1:04, I remember that race vividly. The biggest problem in that race was Ann's image. She had all the money and plenty of endorsements, Jacobs excluded, but people could only think of the woman they saw weekly on Indiana Week In Review. At that time, Rex Early was her counterpart. He was extremely effective at getting Ann worked up and showing her bad side. What people saw in her they didn't like. If you want to credit someone with Julia's election, credit Rex Early because he helped shape the negative image of Ann DeLaney which sealed her fate against Julia.

In reference to the 5:21 posting, the 1996 primary...

2007-12-19T01:04:00.000-05:00

In reference to the 5:21 posting, the 1996 primary race between Julia and Ann Delaney was slated towards Delaney as far as the experts predicted, but with the grass roots get out to vote that was put in place, Julia won. Of course most articles say that Jacobs backing is what won Julia the 1996 race. Grass roots was then and is now the strong hold of any race.

IC 3-13-1-10 establishes who is eligible to partic...

2007-12-18T23:20:00.000-05:00

IC 3-13-1-10 establishes who is eligible to participate in a caucus of this sort. Subsection (b) provides "(a)n appointed precinct committeeman is eligible to participate in a caucus called under section 7 of this chapter if the precinct committeeman was a committeeman thirty (30) days before the vacancy occurred.

Both county chairmen might be appointing precinct and vice precinct committeepersons to participate in a slating convention for the May primary, but those appointed after November 17th won't be eligible to participate in the caucus to select a nominee for the special election ballot used to fill the congressional vacancy.

I am humble anon 8:23...I just checked his bio an...

2007-12-18T22:30:00.000-05:00

I am humble anon 8:23...I just checked his bio and Obama was born in Hawaii.....his father was African...you are correct and I was incorrect but I still support him and plan to vote for him

He was born in Africa so I think that makes Obama ...

2007-12-18T22:26:00.000-05:00

He was born in Africa so I think that makes Obama African...his mother was American so that makes him American....please don't mistake what I said...I intend to vote for him........even if the nomination is settled when Indiana votes.

"they put down Obama, Colin Powell and Condi Rice ...

2007-12-18T21:10:00.000-05:00

"they put down Obama, Colin Powell and Condi Rice for not being "black enough."

Difference being, they (Gen. Powell and Ms. Rice) aren't drinking the koolaid. Unlike "The Justice Brothers", Cynthia McKinney, and the CBC.

BTW, one of my best friends is "Afro-British". He was born in Africa, Malawi to be exact. Raised in East London and Johannesburg, South Africa. His skin is paler than all of us white folks put together. But he's more "African" than most African-Americans.

Alan Keyes, an Illinoisian Republican like Gary We...

2007-12-18T20:59:00.000-05:00

Alan Keyes, an Illinoisian Republican like Gary Welsh (teehee), is indubitably African-American. He even made a hulabaloo about it when he ran against Barack Obama. Keyes got 27% of the vote...

Barack Obama is "African"? I don't think so. Bar...

2007-12-18T20:23:00.000-05:00

Barack Obama is "African"? I don't think so.

Barack Obama is American.

His FATHER was African. But Barack was born in the U.S.A. Hawaii, to be exact.

His mother is white. From Kansas.
His father black. From Kenya.

He is biracial, for sure. He is American, for sure. He is arguably African-American, but some question if he is "African-American", not having the slavery legacy.

I read a front-page Sunday story in the Sun-Times ...

2007-12-18T18:59:00.000-05:00

I read a front-page Sunday story in the Sun-Times this summer where Obama and his wife were lamenting the fact that they constantly had to defend their race in the African-American community. "You're not black" is a constant refrain they hear. I've never understood how some in the African-American community talk about Bill Clinton being the first black president, while they put down Obama, Colin Powell and Condi Rice for not being "black enough." It makes no sense.

Barack Obama is not African American...he is Afric...

2007-12-18T18:55:00.000-05:00

Barack Obama is not African American...he is African.

And chris, at least I correctly spelled Pollard's ...

2007-12-18T18:49:00.000-05:00

And chris, at least I correctly spelled Pollard's name.

chris, I spoke to a Democratic officeholder, not A...

2007-12-18T18:23:00.000-05:00

chris, I spoke to a Democratic officeholder, not Abdul. Perhaps Abdul spoke to the same person. I didn't speak to Abdul, and my post isn't based on what he posted. Ergo, he gets no attribution for the post. BTW--Abdul posted about some Democrats wanting to get rid of Mike O'Connor before the slating just the other day. I posted about that weeks ago. Did you hear me complaining? No, I didn't think so. And Chris, Abdul is a big boy. He really should be fighting his own fights, don't you think.

From a neutral observer: I always thought Rodman ...

2007-12-18T17:45:00.000-05:00

From a neutral observer: I always thought Rodman was African American. Don't know him, just saw his campaign posters.

Technically speaking, of course, "black" is a race, "African-American" is an ethnicity. (ask the EEOC). A black man from France is not African-American, for example.

Many African-Americans are biracial, of course.

And then there's that whole matter of recent African immigrants to America. Who could also be called "African-American". Of course there are some who would say Barack Obama- white American mother, black African father, isn't really "African-American" And, for kicks, "African-American" would include Teresa Heinz Kerry and Charlize Theron-- both born and raised in Africa and now US Citizens.

All of which does highlight the point that judging people by the color of their skin is exactly what Dr. King taught us not to do, and labels aren't particularly helpful either.

But we can't seem to help ourselves.

Wow, this looks oddly like Abdul's posting earlier...

2007-12-18T17:41:00.000-05:00

Wow, this looks oddly like Abdul's posting earlier this morning. Have you just stopped giving credit?

5 PM--surely you jest. Andre has more knowledge t...

2007-12-18T17:21:00.000-05:00

5 PM--surely you jest. Andre has more knowledge than Rodman, Mays, Porter, et al? Have another drink. What a joke.

There is strong resentment about Andre among committeepersons. And the reason is quite simple--follow along with the home edition of this game, fans:

Julia won in 1996 against then-Gov. Bayh's choice, Ann Delaney. Bayh wouldn't confirm that, but all his top aides and cabinet were actively supporting Delaney. Julia worked her ass off, met often with supporters, and smashed Delaney. It was, in my humble opinion, Julia's finest victory, mostly because the snotty Bayh cadre all loudly thumped their chests that Julia wouldn't win.

She had earned the right to represent the district, after over two decades of firm public service.

For Andre to even consider this race, is an insult to his grandmother's strong legacy. Andre has simply not earned it.

The Ice Miller attorney rumor notwithstanding, this is going to be a donnybrook, mostly because of the compressed timeframe--caucus for special election candidates, special election, & slating all occuring within a week or two of one another, and all three could produce different results for different reasons.

But Andre will not win.

The catty Rodman remarks aside, he's a very experienced businessman and political insider. He's smart and a worthy candidate, just like the others mentioned.

Carolene Mays has certainly proven her ability to win, and she's smart, also--but not smart enough to vote against SJR7. If the Dems are stupid enough to anger 20-25,000 GLBT residents, many of whom vote religiously, then they deserve what they get. In proportion, the GLBT community votes 4-5 times more strongly than the black community.

Come to think of it, of all the names mentioend thus far, on either side of the aisle, Andre has the least amount of experience. He may be a terrific guy, but we just don't know him.

And the nonsense about him knowing more about the district than anyone else is nuts. I've been a committeeman for 25 years and he doesn't know me, nor vice versa. I can say the same for dozens of fellow committeepersons.

He's pleasant, and I'm sure he'll be a good councilman--certainly better than his predecessor.

But he's not Congressional material--yet.

Julia, send us some kind of sign, any kind of sign...that doesn't involve your kin.

While most people believe that Andre is not qualif...

2007-12-18T17:00:00.000-05:00

While most people believe that Andre is not qualified to run for congress, most people do not know that Ms. Carson has been grooming him for years. He has more knowledge about the 7th dist. and congress than any person mentioned so far. Looks and assumptions are always deceiving, but if Andre does consider running let him present himself and see if you have a change of heart.

geesh...This line of discussion on race is precise...

2007-12-18T16:49:00.000-05:00

geesh...This line of discussion on race is precisely why we should not categorize people. Let's all focus on the person's ability to be the best rep we can get.

Don't feel bad, Gary. All this time I thought Rodm...

2007-12-18T16:41:00.000-05:00

Don't feel bad, Gary. All this time I thought Rodman was Jewish. Who knew.

Abdul Hakim-Shabazz says Monroe Gray isn't African...

2007-12-18T16:29:00.000-05:00

Abdul Hakim-Shabazz says Monroe Gray isn't African-American, but Gray says he is so who I am to question it?

Wilson, I don't have Joanne's race wrong do I?

2007-12-18T16:24:00.000-05:00

Wilson, I don't have Joanne's race wrong do I?

I'll take you at your word on that, Wilson, but I'...

2007-12-18T16:22:00.000-05:00

I'll take you at your word on that, Wilson, but I'm sure it comes as a surprise to some.

Marion County Treasurer Mike Rodman is African-Ame...

2007-12-18T15:55:00.000-05:00

Marion County Treasurer Mike Rodman is African-American and is considered so by the Indianapolis Black community and others...